ianrandalstrock ([info]ianrandalstrock) wrote,
@ 2008-04-22 23:47:00
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Handicapping the 2008 presidential races
I've been talking politics a bunch recently, and with Nightline now on the air babbling about the Pennsylvania primary in the other room, I thought I'd commit my thoughts to photons, for the rest of the world to mock.



First, the easy one: McCain has the Republican nomination. The key question for that party is: who will they pick to run for vice president. The "veepstakes" these days isn't always about who would be the best vice president, but rather who can pull in the greatest number of voters who wouldn't otherwise vote for this party. So McCain has to look for someone who isn't John McCain. In my mind, the choice is narrowed down to three (although I think he most recently said the list they were considering was about 20 names): Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman, Florida Governor Charlie Crist, and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. Crist has executive experience—being the governor of a state—which all three senator-candidates lack in spades. He also has the advantage of being from a large state, and potentially a contentious one, given its history in the 2000 election, as well as the to-do over Florida's primaries this year. Jindal also has the executive experience, but he has the added advantage of not being a white guy: his parents were immigrants from India. That gives Jindal the "non-white" label so beloved in this year of "it's finally time we had someone other than an old white guy in the office," and yet he's not so black as to completely turn off the lesser bigots among us. Lieberman doesn't have the executive experience, being a senator himself, but he shakes up all the electoral math because he's a Democrat (or was; hard to tell since he lost the last primary and then beat the Democratic nominee for his seat). He's an aisle-crosser like McCain, so the two of them on a ticket would go a long way toward convincing the undecideds in the middle, as well as the liberals in both parties, to vote for them. If I had to pick one of the three (on the assumption that McCain won't be knocking on my door for the spot, though I may be available), I think Jindal would probably be the choice. In addition to his heritage, he also turns 37 this summer, completely balancing McCain's age.

The Democratic side of this to-do is harder. As we heard on tonight's news, Hillary Clinton "won" the primary in Pennsylvania today. The problem with that "win," as it has been for both her and Barack Obama the entire year, is that the Democratic Party's primaries are not winner-take-all. And this year, with the Dems' embarrassment of riches (the first serious female and the first serious black contender for the presidency), the primaries have been neck-and-neck, with the result that neither one of them will have a majority of the delegates locked up by the convention. As a political scientist, the idea of an open convention has me salivating for the spectacle: Finally, a convention that will actually be worth watching, rather than simply a scripted coronation. Unfortunately for the Democrats, and for Clinton and Obama, their party really is very evenly divided. This poll, or another like it, caught my eye recently. The finding I'm pointing to is where it says "in an Obama-McCain match-up, 14% of Democratic voters say they would support McCain, compared with 8% who would do so if Clinton is the nominee." That's a whole lot of Democrats who are so committed to their candidate that they really, really, don't want to see the other one nominated. And that is not good for the Democratic Party. [Update on 23 April at 11:30AM: See also this Time magazine analysis, which quotes a number of 43% of Clinton voters who say they won't vote for Obama.] For the past few weeks, my notion has been that neither one is going to be nominated. Forget the "dream ticket" of both of them: neither one could feasibly serve as the other's vice president (Patrick Healy said it rather well in today's New York Times). No, I'm not sure who's going to ask, or how, but I'm pretty sure that someone (or some group) is soon going to realize that their best bet is to turn to Al Gore (remember him?) and say "Please, come save the Party. Run for President, so we have a good chance of winning, and unite this divided crowd before our party goes the way of the dodo." I give Gore a better than 50% chance of being this year's Democratic nominee. Then, of course, all the polling of who will win whichever match-up gets thrown out the window. Gore vs. McCain strikes me as a pretty fair fight, and I don't know who'll win. Oh, but if Gore does get the nomination, he'll still need a vice presidential running mate. Again, I look first for executive experience, and I find Bill Richardson. Current Governor of New Mexico, former Cabinet Secretary, former ambassador (hell, he may have the most actual foreign policy experience out there, which ain't a bad thing to have). And he does, kind of, break the "old white guy" mold: he's Hispanic (three of his four grandparents were Mexican). He's probably the ideal vice presidential choice, no matter who gets the Democratic nomination, but if it's Gore in the top spot, he may just be a little too white. Which means Barack Obama may have to swallow his pride and sign up for a term or two as vice president to get the experience he needs to be more than just an inspiring speaker. Gore-Obama, now that's a ticket that would attract votes. I think it's likely… if there are enough cool, clear heads left in the Democratic Party's leadership who are more interested in winning than in making a spectacle.

So that's my analysis: I expect to go into the voting booth in November to see a Republican line for John McCain and Bobby Jindal, and a Democratic line for Al Gore and Barack Obama, and about ten other lines which will disappoint me (not for their presence, but for their appalling silence before the election, and also the complete disdain shown them by the established media, but that's another windmill). And y'know? I think I could actually be happy seeing those two sets of names on the ballot. I think I could be satisfied with either of them winning.

Presidential trivia considerations of my expected tickets: If John McCain is elected, he, at 71, will be the oldest man elected to a first term as president; he would also be the first national office holder born outside the 48 contiguous states (he was born in the Panama Canal Zone). If Bobby Jindal is elected vice president, he, at 37, would be the second youngest vice president (after John C. Breckinridge); he would also be the first national office holder of Asian descent. If Al Gore is elected president, he would be the second former vice president to come back to win the presidency eight years after losing the presidential election (Richard Nixon did the same thing); he would also be the first Nobel Prize winner to be elected president after winning the Prize. If Barack Obama is elected vice president, he would be the first national office holder of African descent; he would also be the first national office holder born outside the 48 contiguous states (he was born in Hawaii).

Well, it could happen. And if it does, remember, you read it here and laughed.



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[info]mabfan
2008-04-23 01:35 pm UTC (link)
There's one flaw in your reasoning. It seems extremely unlikely that Gore would allow himself to be drafted for the nomination. He's enjoying his current role far too much, and the fact that he made a statement in favor of same-sex marriage would seem to render him unelectable at this point.

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[info]ianrandalstrock
2008-04-24 01:59 am UTC (link)
You mean his role as a Nobel Prize winner? His role as a cultural icon? His role as the elder statesman, part of the party but aloof from the campaign and above all the messiness? If I were scripting his every move to make him the most appealing choice for the nomination, I don't think I could have done anything better (except, perhaps, get him to lose a few pounds). Seriously, he's got an Oscar, the Nobel, and the ear of everyone on planet; where else does he go from here?

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[info]mabfan
2008-04-24 12:03 pm UTC (link)
But that's just it. He doesn't need to become president to accomplish the things he wants to accomplish. And I suspect he doesn't want to go through the hassle of running.

And, as I said, I think that he spoke out in favor of same-sex marriage because he realized that he didn't have to win any more elections. I suspect he'd have a hard time winning a presidential election with the Republicans running that video clip over and over on television.

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[info]den_down_unda
2008-04-23 01:51 pm UTC (link)
Haven't heard Jindal's name mentioned. Crist has no shot of being veep. His homosexuality is an open secret, so Crist as VP means that 10% of McCain's votes go to Alan Keyes as the Cloud Cuckoo Land Party nominee.

On the Dem side, there's no Draft Gore consensus. What'll happen is this'll play out until June 3, when the primary season ends and Dean, Pelosi, et al. force the supers to make a choice, at which point, say June 4, Barack Obama will be the nominee. (He's winning and virtually nothing Hillary can do will change that.)

So Richardson will probably be VP, unless Obama goes for someone from VA or NC (Mike Easley, maybe?). And Jindal's an interesting choice for McCain. Lieberman's too much of an old fart and cheerleader for the war to make much difference for McCain.

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[info]ianrandalstrock
2008-04-24 02:02 am UTC (link)
Like I said, it could happen. Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist, but I don't think my scenario is that far-fetched.

And of course there's no "draft Gore" consensus. If there was, we wouldn't be dealing with the unending tied primaries we're experiencing. That's why I was saying it wouldn't be until later this summer. As much as you and I know that Obama seems far and away the choice of the party, the Clinton machine is perhaps the most powerful force in the Democratic Party; it can't be counted out until she (or he) says so.

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Handicapping the 2008 presidential races
[info]carrenstrock
2008-04-23 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Thanks to you and your enthusiasm, I am actually getting interested in the elections. Still, as always, you can have my votes when we go to the polls. Mom

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