ianrandalstrock ([info]ianrandalstrock) wrote,
@ 2008-10-30 16:43:00
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Entry tags:education, new york, news

If only a few can handle something, is it elitist, or specific?
The New York Times has this piece in today's edition: "Fewer Children Entering Gifted Programs" by Elissa Gootman and Robert Gebeloff. It makes me wonder if New York City's gifted programs are supposed to be an engine for social engineering, a way to make school enrollment "fair" or "equal", or if they exist to give additional educational opportunities to those students who can handle and benefit from them? The tone of this article strongly implies the former, but I think that's wrong. Looking at it as a "gift" for today is being incredibly short-sighted; the concept of gifted programs is that the leaders of tomorrow will have had the educational opportunities to enable them to be as much as they can be, so they can come back to the community to help it into the future. The article talks about the varying numbers of black, Hispanic, and Asian children in the programs since the city instituted a standard cut-off score on the admission tests, but that's not the fault of the tests or the education department. It may be the fault of the parents for not giving their children sufficient experience or impetus, but to blame an educational system because it isn't performing social engineering is to damn a hammer for not being a screwdriver: both are useful, but if you need one, don't use the other. We need social engineering to perform social engineering, but we need gifted education programs to educate those who can most benefit from them.

After writing that, I thought it sounded familiar, and indeed, found that the Times had made the same lament in June, and I'd responded with this post. So now I'm wondering if I'm disagreeing with the Times for what it's writing, or if I'm disagreeing with the newspaper for not so much reporting the news as turning itself into a club demanding social change.




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(Anonymous)
2008-10-30 10:24 pm UTC (link)
Another interesting (to me) side to this, and of course, I don't know where I read it, is that a disproportionate amount of funding goes to the gifted programs than to the programs for "special needs" children. Ah, it was in Time magazine a few years ago, I just remembered. The title was something like "Leaving the Gifted behind". My son was until last year in a gifted program and it did little more for him than give him math above his "grade level". It is the entire "learning" system that needs an overhaul. Dana

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[info]ianrandalstrock
2008-10-31 04:12 am UTC (link)
I think that's another aspect of the social engineering end of things: how can a school board or other elected official justify spending more money on someone who can succeed without it? It's much more politically expedient to spend the extra money on the "needy". Again, short-term political benefit versus long-term real-world benefit. But even the acknowledgement that there are gifted students who need additional help is an improvement. When I was in elementary school, the "gifted" program was that I skipped third grade. True, it kept me a bit more interested (although my handwriting still sucks—third grade was when they taught writing in script), but by far the greater part of my educational "enrichment" came from my parents, who were interested and very active.

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(Anonymous)
2008-10-31 05:04 pm UTC (link)
True , I researched heavily before deciding to homeschool him and again and again ran into studies that indicate that what you study is not as important as whether or not you parents take your education personally. The studies all indicate that your parents interest in your education is a deciding factor in your future success in life. Yet another reason that I doubt that any kind of restructuring of schools is not going to change the outcome. It is restructuring of parents that is needed. dana

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[info]ianrandalstrock
2008-11-01 12:57 am UTC (link)
Well said. And you have the data to back you up; I was just going on personal experience.

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[info]marahsk
2008-11-01 05:47 am UTC (link)
Well, this is one anecdote, ie nowhere near data, but I had a co-worker who used to complain that in her school district, there was tons of help available for special needs kids, but nothing for her gifted child. I don't know what, if anything, can be extrapolated from that, but it seems that at least sometimes, it goes the other way.

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